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		<title>By: Judah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 03:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched 2 episodes from the ramp.  I was edified. They talked about repentance. I pray that God would use those young people to bring glory to His name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched 2 episodes from the ramp.  I was edified. They talked about repentance. I pray that God would use those young people to bring glory to His name.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;My fellow Christians&#8230;&#8221; &#171; the joyful slave</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2010/03/13/the-mysterious-case-of-the-disappearing-gospel/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;My fellow Christians&#8230;&#8221; &#171; the joyful slave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I love this video.  Thanks to Better Than Sacrifice.org [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The power of the Gospel &#171; Faith Defenders</title>
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		<dc:creator>The power of the Gospel &#171; Faith Defenders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 20:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] briefly covered this in my article, The mysterious case of the disappearing gospel. But the topic is so important that I return to it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BetterThanSacrifice</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2010/03/13/the-mysterious-case-of-the-disappearing-gospel/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>BetterThanSacrifice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My post, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2010/03/19/the-power-of-the-gospel/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The power of the Gospel&lt;/a&gt;, is a follow-up to this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post, <a href="http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2010/03/19/the-power-of-the-gospel/" rel="nofollow">The power of the Gospel</a>, is a follow-up to this one.</p>
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		<title>By: The power of the Gospel &#171; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2010/03/13/the-mysterious-case-of-the-disappearing-gospel/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>The power of the Gospel &#171; BetterThanSacrifice.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] briefly covered this in my article, The mysterious case of the disappearing gospel. But the topic is so important that I return to it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>BetterThanSacrifice.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The mysterious case of the disappearing&#160;gospel  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Disappearing Gospel &#171; Witnessing Encouragement</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2010/03/13/the-mysterious-case-of-the-disappearing-gospel/#comment-267</link>
		<dc:creator>The Disappearing Gospel &#171; Witnessing Encouragement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Gospel-less Haiti Relief&#8221;, and a wonderful blog post I just found on this same topic. Check it out; &#8220;The mysterious case of the disappearing gospel&#8221;.        JESUS CHRIST the faithful witness the first born from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Gospel-less Haiti Relief&#8221;, and a wonderful blog post I just found on this same topic. Check it out; &#8220;The mysterious case of the disappearing gospel&#8221;.        JESUS CHRIST the faithful witness the first born from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gospel-less Haiti Relief &#171; Witnessing Encouragement</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2010/03/13/the-mysterious-case-of-the-disappearing-gospel/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Gospel-less Haiti Relief &#171; Witnessing Encouragement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Excellent blog post on this very topic:  The mysterious case of the disappearing gospel, from Bette... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bobby Capps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby Capps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen and Amen</description>
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		<title>By: BetterThanSacrifice</title>
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		<dc:creator>BetterThanSacrifice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, thoughtful comments, thank you :-) Let me think out loud and off-the-cuff here... (That’s a warning that what follows isn’t going to be a carefully formed statement of considered doctrine.)

I guess the thing with Jesus is that what He was primarily doing was demonstrating His credentials as the promised Messiah. The question then becomes, what did He commission the Church to do? And first and foremost, it is to proclaim repentance and forgiveness of sins in His name, making disciples, baptizing and teaching them to observe everything He has commanded.

Now, having said all that, I agree with you entirely about the effect of the Gospel. The fruit of the Gospel truly at work in anyone’s life is most certainly going to be good works and loving one’s neighbour. And ‘everything He has commanded’ also includes loving our neighbours. So we can’t (and shouldn’t want) to escape from that. But we don’t love our neighbours out of obligation, or to try to earn (or keep) favour with God, but rather because we believers have been shown such love and grace that we could do nothing else.

I wonder whether there is a distinction to be made between what the church (collectively, as the gathered assembly) is to do, and what individual believers are to do? Of course, there is overlap, and everything that the gathered church does is through individual believers, but I’m not sure there aren’t useful distinctions to be made.

There is also a discussion to be had about what constitutes a good work, of course, and I would go along with Luther there – it includes especially the mundane everyday stuff (changing diapers, serving one’s neighbour through one’s job, etc) . And I would further argue that passages such as Matt. 5:1–20 that are primarily referring to the ‘good works’ of Gospel proclamation (as &lt;em&gt;opposed&lt;/em&gt; to the ‘charitable deeds’ of Matt. 6 that are to be done in secret), but that is probably a study for another time.

In summary, I am very happy for the church to get involved in the community in practical ways (as long as people are not coerced, and as long as these things are not turned into duties or obligations that are somehow needed to keep favour with God), and I think that can be a helpful way of building relationships and creating avenues for the Gospel message of ‘Christ crucified for sinners’ to be proclaimed.

But such activity should &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; be a substitute for proclaiming the Gospel, which is the problem I am seeing all too frequently in the UK and in much of the US. My video and post here are really trying to speak to &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; error. The last thing I want to do is to berate anyone for serving and loving their neighbour! That’s why I had the word ‘also’ in my script, and I started by commending the charitable deeds :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, thoughtful comments, thank you <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Let me think out loud and off-the-cuff here&#8230; (That’s a warning that what follows isn’t going to be a carefully formed statement of considered doctrine.)</p>
<p>I guess the thing with Jesus is that what He was primarily doing was demonstrating His credentials as the promised Messiah. The question then becomes, what did He commission the Church to do? And first and foremost, it is to proclaim repentance and forgiveness of sins in His name, making disciples, baptizing and teaching them to observe everything He has commanded.</p>
<p>Now, having said all that, I agree with you entirely about the effect of the Gospel. The fruit of the Gospel truly at work in anyone’s life is most certainly going to be good works and loving one’s neighbour. And ‘everything He has commanded’ also includes loving our neighbours. So we can’t (and shouldn’t want) to escape from that. But we don’t love our neighbours out of obligation, or to try to earn (or keep) favour with God, but rather because we believers have been shown such love and grace that we could do nothing else.</p>
<p>I wonder whether there is a distinction to be made between what the church (collectively, as the gathered assembly) is to do, and what individual believers are to do? Of course, there is overlap, and everything that the gathered church does is through individual believers, but I’m not sure there aren’t useful distinctions to be made.</p>
<p>There is also a discussion to be had about what constitutes a good work, of course, and I would go along with Luther there – it includes especially the mundane everyday stuff (changing diapers, serving one’s neighbour through one’s job, etc) . And I would further argue that passages such as Matt. 5:1–20 that are primarily referring to the ‘good works’ of Gospel proclamation (as <em>opposed</em> to the ‘charitable deeds’ of Matt. 6 that are to be done in secret), but that is probably a study for another time.</p>
<p>In summary, I am very happy for the church to get involved in the community in practical ways (as long as people are not coerced, and as long as these things are not turned into duties or obligations that are somehow needed to keep favour with God), and I think that can be a helpful way of building relationships and creating avenues for the Gospel message of ‘Christ crucified for sinners’ to be proclaimed.</p>
<p>But such activity should <em>never</em> be a substitute for proclaiming the Gospel, which is the problem I am seeing all too frequently in the UK and in much of the US. My video and post here are really trying to speak to <em>that</em> error. The last thing I want to do is to berate anyone for serving and loving their neighbour! That’s why I had the word ‘also’ in my script, and I started by commending the charitable deeds <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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