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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty by Jon</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/elephant-room-2-claims-first-acts-29-casualty/#comment-8534</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.acts29network.org/acts-29-blog/dear-acts-29-members/

&lt;b&gt; 1. The Board of Acts 29 will be myself, Pastor Matt Chandler, Pastor Darrin Patrick, and Pastor Dave Bruskas. Each man has been able to hand off their network to full-time staff, thereby freeing them up to go to the next level of leadership and help me work across all of Acts 29 and serve all of the networks that comprise the A29. Each man also has a church staff that is large enough with sufficient funding to do more than one network and help invest in others. Furthermore, Pastors Darrin and Matt can help me be in community with wise counsel from A29 and navigate the ever-increasing complicated waters of the broader church and culture, and represent us in the media and at events, as well as through preaching and publishing. Pastor Dave runs the entire ministry side of Mars Hill and can assist me with the details of running Acts 29 centrally.

With Pastor Scott’s encouragement and the board approval, &lt;i&gt; this means I am resuming the presidency of Acts 29. I want to invest every resource and relationship at my disposal to serve our church planters. Consider this primarily the “Prophet” board.&lt;/i&gt; This board is not closed and other men may join it in years to come. This board will be meeting soon in California, long before our annual retreat, so that we have a clear battle plan for the next season of Acts 29. &lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
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<p><b> 1. The Board of Acts 29 will be myself, Pastor Matt Chandler, Pastor Darrin Patrick, and Pastor Dave Bruskas. Each man has been able to hand off their network to full-time staff, thereby freeing them up to go to the next level of leadership and help me work across all of Acts 29 and serve all of the networks that comprise the A29. Each man also has a church staff that is large enough with sufficient funding to do more than one network and help invest in others. Furthermore, Pastors Darrin and Matt can help me be in community with wise counsel from A29 and navigate the ever-increasing complicated waters of the broader church and culture, and represent us in the media and at events, as well as through preaching and publishing. Pastor Dave runs the entire ministry side of Mars Hill and can assist me with the details of running Acts 29 centrally.</p>
<p>With Pastor Scott’s encouragement and the board approval, <i> this means I am resuming the presidency of Acts 29. I want to invest every resource and relationship at my disposal to serve our church planters. Consider this primarily the “Prophet” board.</i> This board is not closed and other men may join it in years to come. This board will be meeting soon in California, long before our annual retreat, so that we have a clear battle plan for the next season of Acts 29. </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel by Jon</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/07/the-human-cost-of-t-d-jakes-false-prosperity-gospel/#comment-8532</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the part of Mr Jakes ministry that bothers me more than if he is a modalist or trinitarian....as is evident he was able to slip by on that one to the satisfaction of those in the room ( I think they were doing some serious wordsmithing but be that as it may). There is no escaping his prosperity gospel which is from the pit of hell as far as I am concern!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the part of Mr Jakes ministry that bothers me more than if he is a modalist or trinitarian&#8230;.as is evident he was able to slip by on that one to the satisfaction of those in the room ( I think they were doing some serious wordsmithing but be that as it may). There is no escaping his prosperity gospel which is from the pit of hell as far as I am concern!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: Bryan Crawford Loritts and the emergence of pachydermism by Jon</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/28/elephant-room-2-the-emergence-of-pachydermism/#comment-8531</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a question....is being a racist and liking Voddie mutually exclusive?  The same way I think Pastor Loritts is coming to a conclusion wiith faulty logic, I caution you not to throw the baby out with the bath water or let some use love for another black preacher as a way to ignore racisim and all of it subtities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a question&#8230;.is being a racist and liking Voddie mutually exclusive?  The same way I think Pastor Loritts is coming to a conclusion wiith faulty logic, I caution you not to throw the baby out with the bath water or let some use love for another black preacher as a way to ignore racisim and all of it subtities.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel by ali</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/07/the-human-cost-of-t-d-jakes-false-prosperity-gospel/#comment-8529</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful truth found in this article.  It is always God who heals, whether through the doctors or the meds; it is ALWAYS divine intervention.!!. 

He alone is the Giver and Sustainer of life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful truth found in this article.  It is always God who heals, whether through the doctors or the meds; it is ALWAYS divine intervention.!!. </p>
<p>He alone is the Giver and Sustainer of life.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel by Darrel</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/07/the-human-cost-of-t-d-jakes-false-prosperity-gospel/#comment-8517</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Darrel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lord, please expose the evil and glorify Your Name. 

Titus 1: 10 &amp; 11]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord, please expose the evil and glorify Your Name. </p>
<p>Titus 1: 10 &amp; 11</p>
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		<title>Comment on The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel by Born4Battle</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/07/the-human-cost-of-t-d-jakes-false-prosperity-gospel/#comment-8514</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Born4Battle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is an excellent post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an excellent post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code Orange Revival sermon by BetterThanSacrifice</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/22/a-review-of-t-d-jakes-code-orange-sermon/#comment-8506</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Joseph,

You might also find this interesting:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/07/the-human-cost-of-t-d-jakes-false-prosperity-gospel/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Joseph,</p>
<p>You might also find this interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/07/the-human-cost-of-t-d-jakes-false-prosperity-gospel/" rel="nofollow">The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel</a></p>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/22/a-review-of-t-d-jakes-code-orange-sermon/#comment-8505</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code orange Revival Sermon  Rate this:  Share:TwitterFacebookTumblrStumbleUponEmailLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post.   This entry was posted in Christianity, New Downgrade, Religion by BetterThanSacrifice. Bookmark the permalink. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox? by The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8504</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: May we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and Orthodox? [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: Bryan Crawford Loritts and the emergence of pachydermism by The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/28/elephant-room-2-the-emergence-of-pachydermism/#comment-8503</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: Bryan Crawford Loritts and the emergence of pachydermism [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty by The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Anyabwile has done so, as have Pastor Voddie Baucham, Dr. James White, Pastor Dan McGhee, and Pastor Chad Vegas. Others yet remain silent, make their views known only behind closed doors, or else express their [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Anyabwile has done so, as have Pastor Voddie Baucham, Dr. James White, Pastor Dan McGhee, and Pastor Chad Vegas. Others yet remain silent, make their views known only behind closed doors, or else express their [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room by The human cost of T.D. Jakes’ false prosperity gospel &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/27/elephant-room-2-james-white-on-t-d-jakes-and-elephants-in-the-room/#comment-8501</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] actions of those who facilitate them. Pastor Anyabwile has done so, as have Pastor Voddie Baucham, Dr. James White, Pastor Dan McGhee, and Pastor Chad Vegas. Others yet remain silent, make their views known only [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] actions of those who facilitate them. Pastor Anyabwile has done so, as have Pastor Voddie Baucham, Dr. James White, Pastor Dan McGhee, and Pastor Chad Vegas. Others yet remain silent, make their views known only [...]</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] as T.D. Jakes and the actions of those who facilitate them. Pastor Anyabwile has done so, as have Pastor Voddie Baucham, Dr. James White, Pastor Dan McGhee, and Pastor Chad Vegas. Others yet remain silent, make their [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room by The Doctrine of The Trinity &#8211; Transcription of Dr. Walter Martin Video &#124; shepherds-heart-bible-study.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/27/elephant-room-2-james-white-on-t-d-jakes-and-elephants-in-the-room/#comment-8455</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Doctrine of The Trinity &#8211; Transcription of Dr. Walter Martin Video &#124; shepherds-heart-bible-study.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 14:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] T. D. Jakes (and the like) Part One: isn&#8217;t &#8220;unclear leader&#8221; an oxymoron?  Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room A Mega-Friday DL on TD Jakes and Elephants in the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on James White on the discernment gap by Deny The Trinity as Jakes &#8211; Or You are Racist? &#171; Truth with Snares!?</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/31/james-white-on-the-discernment-gap/#comment-8453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deny The Trinity as Jakes &#8211; Or You are Racist? &#171; Truth with Snares!?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] James White on the discernment gap [...]]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/27/elephant-room-2-james-white-on-t-d-jakes-and-elephants-in-the-room/#comment-8451</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/22/a-review-of-t-d-jakes-code-orange-sermon/#comment-8450</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code orange Revival Sermon [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8449</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: May we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and Orthodox? [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/28/elephant-room-2-the-emergence-of-pachydermism/#comment-8448</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: Bryan Crawford Loritts and the emergence of pachydermism [...]]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] those who have spoken out against T.D. Jakes and his presence at The Elephant Room. Baucham had earlier characterized Jakes as ‘an example of the worst the black church has to [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again by Deny The Trinity as Jakes &#8211; Or You are Racist? &#171; Truth with Snares!?</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/01/elephant-room-2-playing-the-racism-card-again/#comment-8446</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deny The Trinity as Jakes &#8211; Or You are Racist? &#171; Truth with Snares!?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] insightful discussion centred upon the accusations of racism made by Brian Crawford Loritts and others towards those who have spoken out against T.D. Jakes and his presence at The Elephant Room. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] insightful discussion centred upon the accusations of racism made by Brian Crawford Loritts and others towards those who have spoken out against T.D. Jakes and his presence at The Elephant Room. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Voddie Baucham accuses ER2 defenders of cult-like ‘Ethnic Gnosticism’ by Deny The Trinity as Jakes &#8211; Or You are Racist? &#171; Truth with Snares!?</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/03/voddie-baucham-accuses-er2-defenders-of-cult-like-ethnic-gnosticism/#comment-8445</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deny The Trinity as Jakes &#8211; Or You are Racist? &#171; Truth with Snares!?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 10:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This is really sad! I stand in agreement with Dr Voddie Baucham - HOLD YOUR GROUND against the heretics that would demand you deny the Trinity. This article I consider one of the most important circulating to warn just how perilous the times are when you have big names joining together IGNORING a cardinal doctrine of the Trinity, whitewashing it, evading questions to show the heretical stance of T.D. Jakes &#8212; than blasting those who will not fall in line as racist and worse! This is the behavior of wolves not sheep that are following the Great Shepherd Jesus Christ. The snare here is one of DISBELIEF in the God of the Bible and NO trivial peripheral doctrine. Daniel Neades and Pastor Ken Silva&#8217;s courage is commendable in getting the word out as well and here is my small contribution to my readers with this repost in its entirety: By Apprising Ministries special correspondent Daniel Neades of Better Than Sacrifice This is a [second] repost of an original article on Better Than Sacrifice [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is really sad! I stand in agreement with Dr Voddie Baucham - HOLD YOUR GROUND against the heretics that would demand you deny the Trinity. This article I consider one of the most important circulating to warn just how perilous the times are when you have big names joining together IGNORING a cardinal doctrine of the Trinity, whitewashing it, evading questions to show the heretical stance of T.D. Jakes &#8212; than blasting those who will not fall in line as racist and worse! This is the behavior of wolves not sheep that are following the Great Shepherd Jesus Christ. The snare here is one of DISBELIEF in the God of the Bible and NO trivial peripheral doctrine. Daniel Neades and Pastor Ken Silva&#8217;s courage is commendable in getting the word out as well and here is my small contribution to my readers with this repost in its entirety: By Apprising Ministries special correspondent Daniel Neades of Better Than Sacrifice This is a [second] repost of an original article on Better Than Sacrifice [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code Orange Revival sermon by BetterThanSacrifice</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/22/a-review-of-t-d-jakes-code-orange-sermon/#comment-8442</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BetterThanSacrifice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 08:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott,

Point taken!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>Point taken!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code Orange Revival sermon by BetterThanSacrifice</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/22/a-review-of-t-d-jakes-code-orange-sermon/#comment-8441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BetterThanSacrifice]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 08:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Joseph,

Thank you for making your point, and doing so politely. I am open to being shown that I am wrong, but only from the Scriptures – if you can show me that Jakes’ handling of the Scripture in this sermon was valid, and that the passages he uses really do teach the things that he is claiming, then I shall, of course, amend this review accordingly.

Grace and peace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Joseph,</p>
<p>Thank you for making your point, and doing so politely. I am open to being shown that I am wrong, but only from the Scriptures – if you can show me that Jakes’ handling of the Scripture in this sermon was valid, and that the passages he uses really do teach the things that he is claiming, then I shall, of course, amend this review accordingly.</p>
<p>Grace and peace.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox? by The Doctrine of The Trinity &#8211; Transcription of Dr. Walter Martin Video &#124; shepherds-heart-bible-study.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Doctrine of The Trinity &#8211; Transcription of Dr. Walter Martin Video &#124; shepherds-heart-bible-study.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 07:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox? T. D. Jakes (and the like) Part One: isn&#8217;t &#8220;unclear leader&#8221; an oxymoron?  Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room A Mega-Friday DL on TD Jakes and Elephants in the Room [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code Orange Revival sermon by Jobin Joseph Kottaram</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/22/a-review-of-t-d-jakes-code-orange-sermon/#comment-8435</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jobin Joseph Kottaram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Sir,

I really appreciate the heart that you have for God&#039;s word. However, I am very sorry to inform you that you are wrong. I had the opportunity to listen to Pastor Jake&#039;s message and it was awesome. How can false doctrine and false theology draw people closer to God. If it weren&#039;t for preachers like TD. Jake&#039;s and Furtick, youngsters like me would be far from God. Both these preachers don&#039;t preach doctrines that tickle the ears. In fact, the teaches of both these men of God encourage us to press on God and see his glory unfold in our lives. If you use your influence in a productive manner, God will surely use you for the glory of his name. May God bless you Sir.

Greetings,
Jobin Joseph Kottaram]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir,</p>
<p>I really appreciate the heart that you have for God&#8217;s word. However, I am very sorry to inform you that you are wrong. I had the opportunity to listen to Pastor Jake&#8217;s message and it was awesome. How can false doctrine and false theology draw people closer to God. If it weren&#8217;t for preachers like TD. Jake&#8217;s and Furtick, youngsters like me would be far from God. Both these preachers don&#8217;t preach doctrines that tickle the ears. In fact, the teaches of both these men of God encourage us to press on God and see his glory unfold in our lives. If you use your influence in a productive manner, God will surely use you for the glory of his name. May God bless you Sir.</p>
<p>Greetings,<br />
Jobin Joseph Kottaram</p>
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		<title>Comment on Voddie Baucham accuses ER2 defenders of cult-like ‘Ethnic Gnosticism’ by terriergal</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/03/voddie-baucham-accuses-er2-defenders-of-cult-like-ethnic-gnosticism/#comment-8422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terriergal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 04:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oooh, reading your blog post.  I like.

I have been thinking the same thing.  I have always hated the emphasis on having to have a certain number of any color people in the church.  What if God doesn&#039;t call those people till later?  Do we have to do something to get them in the door?  Why does color of skin even matter in all this?  Shall we start dividing along hair color and eye color, freckles or no freckles, tall people or short people?

The visual object lesson that was told to me as a child,  about how dumb sheep are, keeps coming into my head.  The idea that if sheep are running in a herd and one sheep jumps over something, even if it is only jumping because it THOUGHT it needed to, all the other sheep will jump over it too, thinking there was a real obstacle there.  The prison door is open, all you have to do is walk out.  The people stuck inside will resent you for it, but oh well!

If you keep treating that race boundary as if it exists, IT WILL KEEP EXISTING. Ignore it, walk right over it, if people get mad because you are shattering their illusion (on either side) so what?  It should be your joy to ignore and thus break down such bondage producing lies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oooh, reading your blog post.  I like.</p>
<p>I have been thinking the same thing.  I have always hated the emphasis on having to have a certain number of any color people in the church.  What if God doesn&#8217;t call those people till later?  Do we have to do something to get them in the door?  Why does color of skin even matter in all this?  Shall we start dividing along hair color and eye color, freckles or no freckles, tall people or short people?</p>
<p>The visual object lesson that was told to me as a child,  about how dumb sheep are, keeps coming into my head.  The idea that if sheep are running in a herd and one sheep jumps over something, even if it is only jumping because it THOUGHT it needed to, all the other sheep will jump over it too, thinking there was a real obstacle there.  The prison door is open, all you have to do is walk out.  The people stuck inside will resent you for it, but oh well!</p>
<p>If you keep treating that race boundary as if it exists, IT WILL KEEP EXISTING. Ignore it, walk right over it, if people get mad because you are shattering their illusion (on either side) so what?  It should be your joy to ignore and thus break down such bondage producing lies.</p>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/03/voddie-baucham-accuses-er2-defenders-of-cult-like-ethnic-gnosticism/#comment-8421</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terriergal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 04:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole thing is just mind boggling, how ideas such as those spouted by Loritts and son, Eric Mason, Charles Jenkins, and by extension and nodding agreement, James Macdonald, have gotten to be so mainstream.  Thankful for Dr Voddie being so willing to be straight on this issue.  I am sure it is going to be hard on him to speak out.  All who stand for unpopular truth will suffer and be put outside the camp - but they did this to our Lord as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing is just mind boggling, how ideas such as those spouted by Loritts and son, Eric Mason, Charles Jenkins, and by extension and nodding agreement, James Macdonald, have gotten to be so mainstream.  Thankful for Dr Voddie being so willing to be straight on this issue.  I am sure it is going to be hard on him to speak out.  All who stand for unpopular truth will suffer and be put outside the camp &#8211; but they did this to our Lord as well.</p>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/03/voddie-baucham-accuses-er2-defenders-of-cult-like-ethnic-gnosticism/#comment-8416</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Guggenheim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. Fantastic. Baucham understands a great deal of this matter and has cut to the core. I have written a 5 part series, &quot;An Examination of Protestant/Evangelical Race Based-Special Interest Theology&quot; and part one is at my blog with next, Monday-Friday, being used to post parts 2-5. It echoes this very understanding and I am explicitly happy to hear this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Fantastic. Baucham understands a great deal of this matter and has cut to the core. I have written a 5 part series, &#8220;An Examination of Protestant/Evangelical Race Based-Special Interest Theology&#8221; and part one is at my blog with next, Monday-Friday, being used to post parts 2-5. It echoes this very understanding and I am explicitly happy to hear this.</p>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/elephant-room-2-claims-first-acts-29-casualty/#comment-8413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not a denomination. You have a misunderstanding as to how A29 functions as a network of churches. Mark is on the board of directors but is not a &quot;head&quot; as you are asserting. That being said there are discussions/concerns being voiced within the network... thinking the best of those who are brothers while addressing significant concerns about ER2 and its implications.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not a denomination. You have a misunderstanding as to how A29 functions as a network of churches. Mark is on the board of directors but is not a &#8220;head&#8221; as you are asserting. That being said there are discussions/concerns being voiced within the network&#8230; thinking the best of those who are brothers while addressing significant concerns about ER2 and its implications.</p>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/01/elephant-room-2-playing-the-racism-card-again/#comment-8405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham accuses ER2 defenders of cult-like ‘Ethnic Gnosticism’ &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] insightful discussion centred upon the accusations of racism made by Brian Crawford Loritts and others towards those who have spoken out against T.D. Jakes and his presence at The Elephant Room. Baucham [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] insightful discussion centred upon the accusations of racism made by Brian Crawford Loritts and others towards those who have spoken out against T.D. Jakes and his presence at The Elephant Room. Baucham [...]</p>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/28/elephant-room-2-the-emergence-of-pachydermism/#comment-8404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham accuses ER2 defenders of cult-like ‘Ethnic Gnosticism’ &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: Bryan Crawford Loritts and the emergence of pachydermism [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/31/james-white-on-the-discernment-gap/#comment-8403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham accuses ER2 defenders of cult-like ‘Ethnic Gnosticism’ &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] James White on the discernment gap  Rate this:  Share:TwitterFacebookTumblrStumbleUponEmailLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post.   This entry was posted in Christianity by BetterThanSacrifice. Bookmark the permalink. [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/27/elephant-room-2-james-white-on-t-d-jakes-and-elephants-in-the-room/#comment-8402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham accuses ER2 defenders of cult-like ‘Ethnic Gnosticism’ &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/elephant-room-2-claims-first-acts-29-casualty/#comment-8401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham accuses ER2 defenders of cult-like ‘Ethnic Gnosticism’ &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/22/a-review-of-t-d-jakes-code-orange-sermon/#comment-8400</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham accuses ER2 defenders of cult-like ‘Ethnic Gnosticism’ &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code orange Revival Sermon [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8399</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham accuses ER2 defenders of cult-like ‘Ethnic Gnosticism’ &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: May we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and Orthodox? [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/voddie-baucham-names-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-8398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham accuses ER2 defenders of cult-like ‘Ethnic Gnosticism’ &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] those who have spoken out against T.D. Jakes and his presence at The Elephant Room. Baucham had earlier characterized Jakes as ‘an example of the worst the black church has to [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/01/elephant-room-2-playing-the-racism-card-again/#comment-8397</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham accuses ER2 defenders of cult-like ‘Ethnic Gnosticism’ &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 10:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Despeville]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 00:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This video presents a disgusting and crude manipulation by MacDonald with those three pastors being played and used as pawns...]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox? by BetterThanSacrifice</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the reference. I appreciate your comments.

I think part of the problem here is that there is a wide variety of beliefs among Oneness Pentecostals (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://mdtertullian.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/flavors-of-oneness-theology/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, for example). Note too that Jakes was not UPCI (United Pentecostal), as he pointed out in his ER2 conversation. Since Jakes is rather reticent to spell out exactly what it is that he believes in unambiguous terms, one is left to proceed based on what he &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt; said, and any rebuttal must therefore necessarily be broad-brushed in certain respects. We do have his congregation’s statement of faith, of course, and his words at ER2 and in other interviews he has given. (One might also think to look at the Higher Ground Always Abounding Assemblies, Inc. website, since Jakes is still &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.highergroundaaa.com/national-directory&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;listed as Vice Prelate&lt;/a&gt; of that organization. However, there do not appear to be any doctrinal statements there.)

Now, no one is arguing that individual modalists necessarily follow their beliefs consistently to their logical conclusions. What Dr. Harold O. J. Brown does in the quotations I cite from him, is to point out the logical consequence of modalistic belief – either docetism, or some form of patripassianism. I was originally following Dr. Brown’s lead in opting for the former as the more likely expression of modalism but, as a result of your comment, I have modified the relevant paragraph in this article to leave open the latter possibility.

I understand that Dr. Bernard believes that his brand of Oneness theology is effectively the same thing as modalistic monarchianism, provided one is careful to exclude patripassianism. One can of course reject the charge of docetism, and also deny patripassianism by asserting that the being who died was the manifestation of God designated by the appellation ‘Son’. But that is a distinction without a difference if one simultaneously asserts that the Son is the same Person as the Father, and existed as the Father prior to His incarnation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the reference. I appreciate your comments.</p>
<p>I think part of the problem here is that there is a wide variety of beliefs among Oneness Pentecostals (see <a href="http://mdtertullian.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/flavors-of-oneness-theology/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, for example). Note too that Jakes was not UPCI (United Pentecostal), as he pointed out in his ER2 conversation. Since Jakes is rather reticent to spell out exactly what it is that he believes in unambiguous terms, one is left to proceed based on what he <em>has</em> said, and any rebuttal must therefore necessarily be broad-brushed in certain respects. We do have his congregation’s statement of faith, of course, and his words at ER2 and in other interviews he has given. (One might also think to look at the Higher Ground Always Abounding Assemblies, Inc. website, since Jakes is still <a href="http://www.highergroundaaa.com/national-directory" rel="nofollow">listed as Vice Prelate</a> of that organization. However, there do not appear to be any doctrinal statements there.)</p>
<p>Now, no one is arguing that individual modalists necessarily follow their beliefs consistently to their logical conclusions. What Dr. Harold O. J. Brown does in the quotations I cite from him, is to point out the logical consequence of modalistic belief – either docetism, or some form of patripassianism. I was originally following Dr. Brown’s lead in opting for the former as the more likely expression of modalism but, as a result of your comment, I have modified the relevant paragraph in this article to leave open the latter possibility.</p>
<p>I understand that Dr. Bernard believes that his brand of Oneness theology is effectively the same thing as modalistic monarchianism, provided one is careful to exclude patripassianism. One can of course reject the charge of docetism, and also deny patripassianism by asserting that the being who died was the manifestation of God designated by the appellation ‘Son’. But that is a distinction without a difference if one simultaneously asserts that the Son is the same Person as the Father, and existed as the Father prior to His incarnation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox? by goatsitter</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8387</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 20:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the author of this blog: 
I think you should seriously read the book &quot;The oneness of God&quot; by David K. Bernard (son of the founder of the United Pentacostals) Modalism and Oneness slightly different, but as far as I know neither doctrine asserts that Christ&#039;s body was only an illusion. (I read the book because I had to write a paper on &quot;Oneness versus the Trinity&quot; it at my bible college) 
I am not saying Modalism is the perfect answer to the mystery of the Godhead, but before we criticize it and rip it apart, we should at least know what it wants to say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the author of this blog:<br />
I think you should seriously read the book &#8220;The oneness of God&#8221; by David K. Bernard (son of the founder of the United Pentacostals) Modalism and Oneness slightly different, but as far as I know neither doctrine asserts that Christ&#8217;s body was only an illusion. (I read the book because I had to write a paper on &#8220;Oneness versus the Trinity&#8221; it at my bible college)<br />
I am not saying Modalism is the perfect answer to the mystery of the Godhead, but before we criticize it and rip it apart, we should at least know what it wants to say.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“.. I also knew Mark and many of the other brothers are faithful ministers of the gospel,..”
&quot;It would appear a big divide is growing in the church. The “let’s accept everyone” and the ones who stand by the Word of God&quot;
“Mark Driscoll is not the Federal Head of Acts29…and none of us are indicted by his error.”

doubleplusgoodthink, comrades.
doubleplusgood doubleplusduckspeak!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“.. I also knew Mark and many of the other brothers are faithful ministers of the gospel,..”<br />
&#8220;It would appear a big divide is growing in the church. The “let’s accept everyone” and the ones who stand by the Word of God&#8221;<br />
“Mark Driscoll is not the Federal Head of Acts29…and none of us are indicted by his error.”</p>
<p>doubleplusgoodthink, comrades.<br />
doubleplusgood doubleplusduckspeak!</p>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/elephant-room-2-claims-first-acts-29-casualty/#comment-8380</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Vegas has withdrawn his post from his blog.&lt;/i&gt;

i.e. Vegas has been Silenced in the name of Gawd and Mark Driscoll.  
(Not necessarily in that order.)
Long. Live. Big. Brother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Vegas has withdrawn his post from his blog.</i></p>
<p>i.e. Vegas has been Silenced in the name of Gawd and Mark Driscoll.<br />
(Not necessarily in that order.)<br />
Long. Live. Big. Brother.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The story of Marjoe – sometimes, preachers really are out to fleece the sheep by vickchick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vickchick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s so sad what his parents did to him.  It&#039;s amazing Marjoe is not more cynical with having to grow up that way.  It is good that he still has a conscience, at the point of doing this film.  But, Marjoe became a man and what he did or didn&#039;t do with Jesus, HE is responsible for.  It was a very interesting documentary and should make us all more aware that there are wolves in sheep&#039;s clothing in our midst.  And God promises to not let His Word return void (what little of it there was that Marjoe preached.)  But God also is not mocked.  As someone else commented before, it is just very sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so sad what his parents did to him.  It&#8217;s amazing Marjoe is not more cynical with having to grow up that way.  It is good that he still has a conscience, at the point of doing this film.  But, Marjoe became a man and what he did or didn&#8217;t do with Jesus, HE is responsible for.  It was a very interesting documentary and should make us all more aware that there are wolves in sheep&#8217;s clothing in our midst.  And God promises to not let His Word return void (what little of it there was that Marjoe preached.)  But God also is not mocked.  As someone else commented before, it is just very sad.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox? by I&#8217;m Afraid the Elephant&#8217;s Still in the Room: Some Reflections on the Recent ER2 &#124; It Is Written</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8371</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I&#8217;m Afraid the Elephant&#8217;s Still in the Room: Some Reflections on the Recent ER2 &#124; It Is Written]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 08:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: May We Now Regard T. D. Jakes as Trinitarian and Orthodox (by Daniel Neades) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty by Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Mark Driscoll is not the Federal Head of Acts29...and none of us are indicted by his error.&quot;

You are in denial.
As long as you and others stay in the denomination, you are sending a loud and clear message to the church and to the world. Silence equals complicity. Are there no Bonhoeffers among you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mark Driscoll is not the Federal Head of Acts29&#8230;and none of us are indicted by his error.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are in denial.<br />
As long as you and others stay in the denomination, you are sending a loud and clear message to the church and to the world. Silence equals complicity. Are there no Bonhoeffers among you?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again by Les Kaighin</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/01/elephant-room-2-playing-the-racism-card-again/#comment-8356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Les Kaighin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The video clip published seems to be saying to me that there are more important things at stake here then mere questions of what God has actually told us. It is all about reconcilliation between men, not between man and his creator. There is a danger of a new tower of Babel here, &quot;We want to develope common ground&quot; instead of &quot;earnestly contend[ing] for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.&quot; Agape does not mean unconditionally accepting every one as an equal Christian brother - it means loving without counting the cost. That is different, true love tells the truth about truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video clip published seems to be saying to me that there are more important things at stake here then mere questions of what God has actually told us. It is all about reconcilliation between men, not between man and his creator. There is a danger of a new tower of Babel here, &#8220;We want to develope common ground&#8221; instead of &#8220;earnestly contend[ing] for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.&#8221; Agape does not mean unconditionally accepting every one as an equal Christian brother &#8211; it means loving without counting the cost. That is different, true love tells the truth about truth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again by Despeville</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/02/01/elephant-room-2-playing-the-racism-card-again/#comment-8355</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Despeville]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is only when the mind and character slumber that the dress can be seen.  
~Ralph Waldo Emerson]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Pachydermism by Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/pachydermism/#comment-8348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is describing here what I earlier termed pachydermism:  ‘The Elephant Room débutantes’ ball has seen the public emergence of pachydermism, the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on James White on the discernment gap by Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] James White on the discernment gap  Rate this:  Share:TwitterFacebookTumblrStumbleUponEmailLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post.   This entry was posted in Christianity, New Downgrade, Religion by BetterThanSacrifice. Bookmark the permalink. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty by Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Voddie Baucham names the elephant in the room by Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Voddie Baucham names the elephant in the room [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room by Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/27/elephant-room-2-james-white-on-t-d-jakes-and-elephants-in-the-room/#comment-8344</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code Orange Revival sermon by Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/22/a-review-of-t-d-jakes-code-orange-sermon/#comment-8343</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code orange Revival Sermon [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: Bryan Crawford Loritts and the emergence of pachydermism by Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/28/elephant-room-2-the-emergence-of-pachydermism/#comment-8342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] But perhaps the most outspoken of the three men in this video was Bryan Loritts, pastor of Fellowship Memphis Church. As you may recall, Loritts has most recently been catapulted into the spotlight for his blog post entitled, My Day With James MacDonald, T.D. Jakes and the Elephant Room. In this post, Loritts called for the reformed community to “repent” of their harsh criticism and one-sided attacks on Bishop T.D. Jakes in regard to his beliefs about the Godhead’. In response to this call to repentance, Daniel Neades of Better Than Sacrifice wrote, Loritts has apparently failed to understand that it is because we love people – including T.D. Jakes himself – that we want to be sure that they are neither inadvertently trusting in a non-Trinitarian god of their own imagination, nor being deceived by a false prosperity gospel, such as the one Jakes preaches. Loritts uncharitably judges the inward thoughts and intents of his opponents. (Online Source) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But perhaps the most outspoken of the three men in this video was Bryan Loritts, pastor of Fellowship Memphis Church. As you may recall, Loritts has most recently been catapulted into the spotlight for his blog post entitled, My Day With James MacDonald, T.D. Jakes and the Elephant Room. In this post, Loritts called for the reformed community to “repent” of their harsh criticism and one-sided attacks on Bishop T.D. Jakes in regard to his beliefs about the Godhead’. In response to this call to repentance, Daniel Neades of Better Than Sacrifice wrote, Loritts has apparently failed to understand that it is because we love people – including T.D. Jakes himself – that we want to be sure that they are neither inadvertently trusting in a non-Trinitarian god of their own imagination, nor being deceived by a false prosperity gospel, such as the one Jakes preaches. Loritts uncharitably judges the inward thoughts and intents of his opponents. (Online Source) [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2: playing the race card, again &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in a non-Trinitarian god of their own imagination, nor being deceived by a false prosperity gospel, such as the one Jakes preaches. Loritts uncharitably judges the inward thoughts and intents of his opponents. (Online [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox? by Let&#8217;s Sit Down Over Coffee &#124; diakonos</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8337</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Let&#8217;s Sit Down Over Coffee &#124; diakonos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 03:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the real beauty of lifting the game to this status is that if any should dare to contest such claims, they are branded cowards (or racists), because the confrontation was not face to face, to a [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty by Josh Elsom</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/elephant-room-2-claims-first-acts-29-casualty/#comment-8330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Elsom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark Driscoll is not the Federal Head of Acts29, he is not the pope and none of us are indicted by his error. Acts29 is a network of church plants which share certain core distinctives, nothing more. Though, I can certainly respect someone&#039;s decision to pull out of the network for Mark&#039;s affirmation of TD Jakes&#039; ministry.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on The story of Marjoe – sometimes, preachers really are out to fleece the sheep by Curmudge0n</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/the-story-of-marjoe-sometimes-preachers-really-are-out-to-fleece-the-sheep/#comment-8329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curmudge0n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Child &quot;preachers&quot; are merely aping preaching and nothing more. There is no Biblical, exegetial, theological reflection--only rote, aping, memorization. Folks this is NOT preaching. Not Biblical. Not honoring to God or Christianity. This man and his parents are blasphemers of Christ and Christianity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Child &#8220;preachers&#8221; are merely aping preaching and nothing more. There is no Biblical, exegetial, theological reflection&#8211;only rote, aping, memorization. Folks this is NOT preaching. Not Biblical. Not honoring to God or Christianity. This man and his parents are blasphemers of Christ and Christianity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on James White on the discernment gap by Orthodoxy, heresy and aberrancy &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/31/james-white-on-the-discernment-gap/#comment-8326</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orthodoxy, heresy and aberrancy &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orthodoxy, heresy and aberrancy &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: May we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and Orthodox? [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2010/11/19/what-is-the-activity-we-call-discernment-really-all-about/#comment-8324</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orthodoxy, heresy and aberrancy &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] an earlier post, I asked the question, What is the activity we call discernment really all about? I argued there that Christian discernment is built upon the foundation of paying close attention to [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Thinking about orthodoxy: defining terms and asking questions by Orthodoxy, heresy and aberrancy &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2010/11/24/thinking-about-orthodoxy/#comment-8323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orthodoxy, heresy and aberrancy &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This article is adapted from a longer piece, Thinking about orthodoxy: defining terms and asking questions. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Free Bible reading chart: keep track as you read through the Bible by The Gil &#38; Kelly Bates Family &#187; IT&#8217;S A NEW YEAR</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2008/02/04/free-bible-reading-chart-keep-track-as-you-read-through-the-bible/#comment-8321</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Gil &#38; Kelly Bates Family &#187; IT&#8217;S A NEW YEAR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2008/02/04/free-bible-reading-chart-keep-track-as-you-read-throu... (This is a self paced chart) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code Orange Revival sermon by James White on the discernment gap &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/22/a-review-of-t-d-jakes-code-orange-sermon/#comment-8320</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James White on the discernment gap &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code orange Revival Sermon [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/elephant-room-2-claims-first-acts-29-casualty/#comment-8319</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James White on the discernment gap &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Voddie Baucham names the elephant in the room by James White on the discernment gap &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/voddie-baucham-names-the-elephant-in-the-room/#comment-8318</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James White on the discernment gap &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Voddie Baucham names the elephant in the room [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/27/elephant-room-2-james-white-on-t-d-jakes-and-elephants-in-the-room/#comment-8317</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James White on the discernment gap &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/28/elephant-room-2-the-emergence-of-pachydermism/#comment-8316</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James White on the discernment gap &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox? by James White on the discernment gap &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8315</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James White on the discernment gap &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: May we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and Orthodox? [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on The story of Marjoe – sometimes, preachers really are out to fleece the sheep by Christina</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/the-story-of-marjoe-sometimes-preachers-really-are-out-to-fleece-the-sheep/#comment-8307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it sad too. I hope this man came to truly know Jesus. How awful.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on The story of Marjoe – sometimes, preachers really are out to fleece the sheep by Jean</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/the-story-of-marjoe-sometimes-preachers-really-are-out-to-fleece-the-sheep/#comment-8300</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole thing made me very, very sad.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty by terriergal</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/elephant-room-2-claims-first-acts-29-casualty/#comment-8295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terriergal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The blog post you link to has been removed...?
I hope they aren&#039;t reconsidering.]]></description>
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I hope they aren&#8217;t reconsidering.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty by Olivia W.</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/elephant-room-2-claims-first-acts-29-casualty/#comment-8293</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Olivia W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would appear a big divide is growing in the church. The &quot;let&#039;s accept everyone&quot; and the ones who stand by the Word of God.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty by michael henry</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/elephant-room-2-claims-first-acts-29-casualty/#comment-8291</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[michael henry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;.. I also knew Mark and many of the other brothers are faithful ministers of the gospel,..&quot;

Seriously brother? X-rated visions and porn sermons are faithful? I see a big disconnect between that being ok and the er2 (really gives elephants a bad name) handling being wrong. All are part and parcel of the same issue, which is NOT being faithful to the Gospel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;.. I also knew Mark and many of the other brothers are faithful ministers of the gospel,..&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously brother? X-rated visions and porn sermons are faithful? I see a big disconnect between that being ok and the er2 (really gives elephants a bad name) handling being wrong. All are part and parcel of the same issue, which is NOT being faithful to the Gospel.</p>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/elephant-room-2-claims-first-acts-29-casualty/#comment-8290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daniel...

I am assuming that you know that the pastor&#039;s blog post no longer exists.

Zach]]></description>
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<p>I am assuming that you know that the pastor&#8217;s blog post no longer exists.</p>
<p>Zach</p>
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		<title>Comment on The story of Marjoe – sometimes, preachers really are out to fleece the sheep by Steve Blackwell</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/the-story-of-marjoe-sometimes-preachers-really-are-out-to-fleece-the-sheep/#comment-8286</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Blackwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 23:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see this scene played out in different degrees in very many churches today, only they have gotten much more sophisticated. Of course there are all the regular scams being rehearsed on the unsuspecting flock by the normal shysters like Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland; and that rat&#039;s-nest at TBN.  But, let&#039;s not let the boys and girls in the local mega church off the hook, they have brought money grubbing into the twentyfirst century. They are too smooth to be so superficial; their preferred method is marketing. They are no different than Star Bucks or any other successful business; they chase the dollar and and come away looking like pure driven snow, while capitalizing on the weakness of the flesh. When a church has a business profile, you can be assured that the accountants run the show.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this scene played out in different degrees in very many churches today, only they have gotten much more sophisticated. Of course there are all the regular scams being rehearsed on the unsuspecting flock by the normal shysters like Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland; and that rat&#8217;s-nest at TBN.  But, let&#8217;s not let the boys and girls in the local mega church off the hook, they have brought money grubbing into the twentyfirst century. They are too smooth to be so superficial; their preferred method is marketing. They are no different than Star Bucks or any other successful business; they chase the dollar and and come away looking like pure driven snow, while capitalizing on the weakness of the flesh. When a church has a business profile, you can be assured that the accountants run the show.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: Bryan Crawford Loritts and the emergence of pachydermism by Pachydermism &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/28/elephant-room-2-the-emergence-of-pachydermism/#comment-8282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pachydermism &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: Bryan Crawford Loritts and the emergence of pachydermism by Alex Guggenheim</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/28/elephant-room-2-the-emergence-of-pachydermism/#comment-8279</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Guggenheim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is precisely why race based theology errant. Our allegiance is to the truth, however Loritts lives in a world where race based theology is not only tolerated but treated as orthodox. And this means those of the Neo-Reformed and Classic Reformed persuasion who have allowed race based theology to not only be protected but fostered. Theology is Christ based, our race is a spiritual one and our theology Jesus. We speak Jesus to one another, race is anecdotal and not for spiritual constructs, they are for social constructs. But with garbage like Piper&#039;s Bloodlines getting the warm cozies and the PCA&#039;s absolutely deficient understanding of genuine racism vs social segregation and slavery issues, we have now come full circle to a place where the world has pronounced on the church what doctrines are to be taught and what views we must be ashamed of because we are too stupid to understand what the Word of God teaches and does not teach.

Loritts, in warning about implications, made an explication, himself. That explication is that his spiritual and theological concerns are race based, a disgusting and sinful rejection of the protocol of Scripture which makes it spiritually based.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is precisely why race based theology errant. Our allegiance is to the truth, however Loritts lives in a world where race based theology is not only tolerated but treated as orthodox. And this means those of the Neo-Reformed and Classic Reformed persuasion who have allowed race based theology to not only be protected but fostered. Theology is Christ based, our race is a spiritual one and our theology Jesus. We speak Jesus to one another, race is anecdotal and not for spiritual constructs, they are for social constructs. But with garbage like Piper&#8217;s Bloodlines getting the warm cozies and the PCA&#8217;s absolutely deficient understanding of genuine racism vs social segregation and slavery issues, we have now come full circle to a place where the world has pronounced on the church what doctrines are to be taught and what views we must be ashamed of because we are too stupid to understand what the Word of God teaches and does not teach.</p>
<p>Loritts, in warning about implications, made an explication, himself. That explication is that his spiritual and theological concerns are race based, a disgusting and sinful rejection of the protocol of Scripture which makes it spiritually based.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox? by James S</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8278</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love how McDonald says &quot;he blew us away with his biblical solidity!&quot;
My question then is why didn&#039;t he use any of this &#039;biblical solidity&#039; in the elephant room?
If he blew you away with biblical solidity, it must have been before the show or when the cameras weren&#039;t on, because I haven&#039;t heard or seen anything biblically solid from Jakes. Ever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how McDonald says &#8220;he blew us away with his biblical solidity!&#8221;<br />
My question then is why didn&#8217;t he use any of this &#8216;biblical solidity&#8217; in the elephant room?<br />
If he blew you away with biblical solidity, it must have been before the show or when the cameras weren&#8217;t on, because I haven&#8217;t heard or seen anything biblically solid from Jakes. Ever.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The story of Marjoe – sometimes, preachers really are out to fleece the sheep by Alex Guggenheim</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/the-story-of-marjoe-sometimes-preachers-really-are-out-to-fleece-the-sheep/#comment-8277</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Guggenheim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He says at the 41:55 mark, &quot;This is a business&quot;.
For all the condemnation one might have had for this man and those like him who deliberate to be one thing but in truth, are another, he has the honesty to admit what he is doing. Whereas, in the church today, where books, CDs, registrations fees, seminar fees, conference fees and the accompanying paraphernalia is sold, I have more condemnation for them who do so unwilling to admit that they, too, are using the ministry as a business. Some might imagine, well that can&#039;t include men like ___________(fill in the blank) who charge registration fees, seminar fees and charge for the teaching of the Word of God, even in book form (even if they claim it is because a publisher makes them do it or else they couldn&#039;t get it printed) but I have news, it does. Oh yes, that includes them and they could get it printed, by the way, they just would have to do what ministry does, pay the cost to serve others.

Great lessons from this video and this is but one of many.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He says at the 41:55 mark, &#8220;This is a business&#8221;.<br />
For all the condemnation one might have had for this man and those like him who deliberate to be one thing but in truth, are another, he has the honesty to admit what he is doing. Whereas, in the church today, where books, CDs, registrations fees, seminar fees, conference fees and the accompanying paraphernalia is sold, I have more condemnation for them who do so unwilling to admit that they, too, are using the ministry as a business. Some might imagine, well that can&#8217;t include men like ___________(fill in the blank) who charge registration fees, seminar fees and charge for the teaching of the Word of God, even in book form (even if they claim it is because a publisher makes them do it or else they couldn&#8217;t get it printed) but I have news, it does. Oh yes, that includes them and they could get it printed, by the way, they just would have to do what ministry does, pay the cost to serve others.</p>
<p>Great lessons from this video and this is but one of many.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The story of Marjoe – sometimes, preachers really are out to fleece the sheep by James S</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Notice how all he does is yell and sing. All emotionalism. No bible teaching whatsoever. All any of these people do at these meetings is make loud noises and dance and sing and repeat the same words over and over - hallelujah! hallelujah!
just emotionalism and nothing else. Totally empty of anything of substance. brainlessness.
Nothing biblical. Nothing logical.
If anyone would be fooled into thinking this has anything whatsoever to do with God, it is amazing to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how all he does is yell and sing. All emotionalism. No bible teaching whatsoever. All any of these people do at these meetings is make loud noises and dance and sing and repeat the same words over and over &#8211; hallelujah! hallelujah!<br />
just emotionalism and nothing else. Totally empty of anything of substance. brainlessness.<br />
Nothing biblical. Nothing logical.<br />
If anyone would be fooled into thinking this has anything whatsoever to do with God, it is amazing to me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The story of Marjoe – sometimes, preachers really are out to fleece the sheep by michael henry</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/30/the-story-of-marjoe-sometimes-preachers-really-are-out-to-fleece-the-sheep/#comment-8275</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[michael henry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brings back a lot of really bad memories. To answer your question, yes they would. But in the spirit of pachedermism, I won&#039;t name any names or disagree with anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brings back a lot of really bad memories. To answer your question, yes they would. But in the spirit of pachedermism, I won&#8217;t name any names or disagree with anything.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Voddie Baucham names the elephant in the room by Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/27/elephant-room-2-james-white-on-t-d-jakes-and-elephants-in-the-room/#comment-8273</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room [...]]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/22/a-review-of-t-d-jakes-code-orange-sermon/#comment-8271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code orange Revival Sermon [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2 claims first Acts 29 casualty &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 20:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pachydermism &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] legitimate comparison with Scripture of what a person believes, teaches and confesses.’ — The emergence of pachydermism Rate this:  Share:TwitterFacebookTumblrStumbleUponEmailLike this:LikeBe the first to like this [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/28/elephant-room-2-the-emergence-of-pachydermism/#comment-8268</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox? by The story of Marjoe – sometimes, preachers really are out to fleece the sheep &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8266</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The story of Marjoe – sometimes, preachers really are out to fleece the sheep &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Of course, Christians today would never be so gullible. Would they? [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room by Voddie Baucham names the elephant in the room &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org</title>
		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/27/elephant-room-2-james-white-on-t-d-jakes-and-elephants-in-the-room/#comment-8264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham names the elephant in the room &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Elephant Room 2: James White on T.D. Jakes and elephants in the room [...]]]></description>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham names the elephant in the room &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] A review of T.D. Jakes’ Code orange Revival Sermon [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8262</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham names the elephant in the room &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/28/elephant-room-2-the-emergence-of-pachydermism/#comment-8261</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Voddie Baucham names the elephant in the room &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] enumerates the problems with Jakes, and confronts the disgraceful insinuations of racism that have been in play. Finally, Baucham names the real elephant in the room:  I’m not angry with [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Running scared: why is The Elephant Room afraid of scrutiny? by Robert Winkler Burke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Winkler Burke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the reply, Terriergal,

Your information is interesting, but I suppose your answer applies to more traditional churches, meaning of course, denominations.  Here&#039;s my point, churchianity in general has become a hugely blinding-to-the-sheep arena.

There is a HUGE difference between supporting a building fund of a traditional denomination church and a nondom church.  BUT, the nondom pastors won&#039;t mention it!  Ever!  NEVER!  Why?  It would expose nondom building fund self-dealings.  And such a churchianity is vehemently opposed to exposing the sin of self-dealing.

Because, as you know, a nondom church&#039;s assets are often simply the assets of the husband and wife pastor and perhaps a few monied individuals who partnered with the church&#039;s start up.  Hence, money contributed to this kind of church&#039;s building fund (or later, broadcast facilities) are subject to division through divorce.  So the donors, who are normally kept blind of all this, need to really have insurance issued against such likes.

For example, Zachery Tim&#039;s church in Florida has had all this and more.  Divorce.  Suicide of principle due to apparent overdose?  Takeover by the unstoppable Paula White, also divorced.

And when does anybody teach sheep to love Western Enlightenment&#039;s core principles of &quot;watch the other hand&quot;, expunge self-dealing in leaders, trust but verify, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, hold leaders accountable to at the bare minimum -- answering questions (nondom pastors are famous for never answering questions!), top leadership must allow bad news and remedies to percolate from bottom to top, the best leaders ask for correction instead of pretending they never need it!

But no, when the next nondom leader says his church or broadcast situation needs a new facility, all NLP witchcraft and every supporting bible verse is used... without any kind of disclosure of risks associated with proposed new asset.

So then sheep need to be detectives, and learn how to see spiritually for themselves, since churchianity is opposed to it because too much revelation is a very bad thing for wayward ministries.

And what, pray tell, is the solution.  Why, it&#039;s Christ-in-You!  (Which churchianity leaders, if it detects it in any sheep, is dedicated to candle-snuffing, or playing whack-a-mole, or... like they did to Father-in-Jesus, crucifying.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply, Terriergal,</p>
<p>Your information is interesting, but I suppose your answer applies to more traditional churches, meaning of course, denominations.  Here&#8217;s my point, churchianity in general has become a hugely blinding-to-the-sheep arena.</p>
<p>There is a HUGE difference between supporting a building fund of a traditional denomination church and a nondom church.  BUT, the nondom pastors won&#8217;t mention it!  Ever!  NEVER!  Why?  It would expose nondom building fund self-dealings.  And such a churchianity is vehemently opposed to exposing the sin of self-dealing.</p>
<p>Because, as you know, a nondom church&#8217;s assets are often simply the assets of the husband and wife pastor and perhaps a few monied individuals who partnered with the church&#8217;s start up.  Hence, money contributed to this kind of church&#8217;s building fund (or later, broadcast facilities) are subject to division through divorce.  So the donors, who are normally kept blind of all this, need to really have insurance issued against such likes.</p>
<p>For example, Zachery Tim&#8217;s church in Florida has had all this and more.  Divorce.  Suicide of principle due to apparent overdose?  Takeover by the unstoppable Paula White, also divorced.</p>
<p>And when does anybody teach sheep to love Western Enlightenment&#8217;s core principles of &#8220;watch the other hand&#8221;, expunge self-dealing in leaders, trust but verify, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, hold leaders accountable to at the bare minimum &#8212; answering questions (nondom pastors are famous for never answering questions!), top leadership must allow bad news and remedies to percolate from bottom to top, the best leaders ask for correction instead of pretending they never need it!</p>
<p>But no, when the next nondom leader says his church or broadcast situation needs a new facility, all NLP witchcraft and every supporting bible verse is used&#8230; without any kind of disclosure of risks associated with proposed new asset.</p>
<p>So then sheep need to be detectives, and learn how to see spiritually for themselves, since churchianity is opposed to it because too much revelation is a very bad thing for wayward ministries.</p>
<p>And what, pray tell, is the solution.  Why, it&#8217;s Christ-in-You!  (Which churchianity leaders, if it detects it in any sheep, is dedicated to candle-snuffing, or playing whack-a-mole, or&#8230; like they did to Father-in-Jesus, crucifying.)</p>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/26/elephant-room-2-may-we-now-regard-t-d-jakes-as-trinitarian-and-orthodox/#comment-8250</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BISHOP TD JAKES&#8217; BAD THEOLOGY ISN&#8217;T LIMITED TO THE TRINITY &#124; renderingtruth.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] much of what&#8217;s gone on in the past week. Daniel posted the following in his article &#8220;Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox?&#8221;: Notice that the error of modalism is not that it denies God’s working distinctively as [...]]]></description>
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		<link>http://blog.betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/27/elephant-room-2-james-white-on-t-d-jakes-and-elephants-in-the-room/#comment-8249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elephant Room 2: may we now regard T.D. Jakes as Trinitarian and orthodox? &#124; BetterThanSacrifice.org]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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